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After 30 years of four-times-a-day phone calls, Oprah and Gayle sit down for a nice, long, startlingly honest chat—about their friendship, those tabloid rumors (who could forget that night in the Bahamas? "Gayle doesn't like my hair, but that's okay 'cause I do," Oprah tells me. Oprah: It gives me pause, because she's been my—she's apple pie and Chevrolet. So if there's somebody she doesn't like, that will get my attention because she's truly everybody's friend—far friendlier than I am. Gayle: My only instructions have been to go get her journals. Gayle: I would just want her to be involved in my children's lives—always. There is a line of respect that is unspoken, on both our parts.

Not the bellboy), what Oprah really thought at Gayle's wedding, and why they are still "more or less the same people." O columnist Lisa Kogan listens in. But for just a moment on a gorgeous day in New York City, these two women who've spent 30 years in constant conversation, who've stuck together through fame and fortune, kids and dogs, marriage and divorce, miniskirts and shoulder pads, are happy to be quiet together. " Oprah asks as Gayle plucks at a wisp of her pal's hair. I remember once when Gayle came to my house: I was already making a lot of money, and she was making not a lot of money.

Oprah: I thought it would change just in terms of time. She's giving me a double stroller." Back then double strollers were very expensive. She said, "I want to pay the nanny's salary for as long as you feel you need her." Oprah: She kept that nanny for like seven or eight years. Hi, Kirby-Cakes." She stopped the conversation to greet them and let them know that they were seen and heard.

The kids are 11 months apart, and Oprah goes, "I got you the perfect gift." And I'm thinking, "Oh, good.

Start reading Lisa Kogan's interview with Oprah and Gayle Note: This interview appeared in the August 2006 issue of O, The Oprah Magazine. Every time I tell somebody, "I'm interviewing Oprah and Gayle," the response is always the same: "Oh. How else can you explain a level of intimacy where someone always loves you, always respects you, admires you? Oprah: Wants the best for you in every single situation of your life. Oprah: I've told nearly everything there is to tell. People think I'd be so ashamed of being gay that I wouldn't admit it? It's hard enough for me to get a date on a Saturday night. Oprah: We were just down in the Bahamas—I was giving a wedding for my niece there. But when she doesn't agree, she'll fight for her opinion as though there were a G on that magazine. My best friend, Brenda, and I have established the Sunny von Bülow pact: If something ever happens to one of us, whoever's still mobile has to come by every three weeks and pluck any unseemly facial hair. Oprah: I had 2 just sort of stuck into a coat pocket. It can be all that it can be, and it's extraordinary, in terms of the level I've been able to achieve, and to have Gayle by my side as happy as I am for those accomplishments.

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